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Palin's Resignation?

Wed Sep 3, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
politics, gop, mccain, palin
By ThePef
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Perhaps Palin's scheduled speech should be one of resignation?

Lets take a look at the latest revelations about Palin.

Earmark Reductions - The much touted reduction in earmarks that position Palin as a hard line reformer were in fact a reduction of just $5 per person in Alaska. They asked for $300 per person in earmarks and Palin reduced it to $295.

Fact: Other states average $34 per person in earmarks, so Alaska is a huge abuser of this system and the slim reduction clearly does not demonstrate one who wants to change the system.

Sex Education - Both McCain and Palin are supporters of reduced funding for Sex Education. While she is a staunch supporter for the anti-abortion cause, she clearly has not demonstrated the knowledge that Sex Education helps the occurrence of unwanted teen pregnancies.

Fact: Her own daughter's teen pregnancy should be clue enough to her of the need to properly educate teens on more than abstinence and the bible. Not too mention the highly controversial rumor over her last child.

Abuse of Office - Only two years into her term as Alaskan governor and she is already under investigation for the firing of a state public safety commissioner.

Fact: While Palin hasn't been directly involved with the firing, it seems that members of her staff had a part in the firing.

Palin the Reformer - Palin accepted at least $4,500 in contributions in a fund raising scheme for her failed bid for Lieutenent governor. Palin also hired a lobbyist while mayor to secure the town of just 5000 with at least 14 earmarks worth $27 million over a 3 yr period.

Fact: This is the same fund raising scheme that has led to indictments of Sen. Ted Stevens, and the FBI is still investigating.

This has all come out in just the week since Palin was introduced to the general public. What other skeletons lie in that dark closet? We are asking the Vice President to be capable and reputable, especially given the advanced age and questionable health of McCain. Is it wise to nominate someone for Vice President that just got her passport 1 1/2 yrs ago?

Palin is neither experienced, worldly, able to handle her own family, trustworthy, or a reformer. They picked a pretty face to go along with McCain's aging mug.

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JJJ333Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

FACT: MSNBC would NEVER have a healine that says "Obama holes up in hotel room".
FACT: No one ever criticized Biden for taking office after the death of his wife--who watched the 2 little boys?
FACT: Palin has more executive experience than the other 3 candidates combined
FACT: The press, pundits and late night talk show hosts are dissing women. At least maybe we can take heart that they are not partisan--they did Hillary in, too.
FACT: Not all Hillary supporters are pro choice so now we have an alternative.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 10:12 AM EDT
ThePef

jjj, what does this have to do with the facts that I listed? The ones that clearly show that Palin is neither a reformer, or the vehicle of change she claims to be.

Those facts listed above have nothing to do with gender.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
Brian Ford

FACT: Not all Hillary supporters are pro choice so now we have an alternative.

I bet the vast majority of them are pro REALITY when it comes to all of the social issues that Palin has historically (as recently as 2006) held a far-right stance on.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
agio

Why would someone who is anti-choice support Hillary Clinton? It makes no sense, whatsoever.

But then again, neither do any of your other "FACTs".

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
Superman2001

FACT: Palin has more executive experience than the other 3 candidates combined

OK, Dwight Schrute.

George W. Bush has more executive experience than all four candidates. So does Rudy Guiliani. So does Jesse Ventura. How about Wesley Clark? Mitt Romney. Bill Richardson. Howard Dean. Mark Warner. Mike Huckabee.

All these men have more executive experience than anyone on either ticket. But they all have something else in common. They ran for the presidency and lost (with the unfortunate exception of George Bush). Executive experience doesn't mean that you are going to make a good president. It doesn't mean that you have good ideas for America, or that you can get people to believe in your vision.

So it's true that Sarah Palin is the only candidate with executive experience, but why has that become a GOP talking point? It's obvious that McCain didn't pick her because of her experience, and it's insulting that his campaign is now insinuating that he did.

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
MRZK.COM

Superman has a super mind and a way with words.

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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Christine-479373

The problem with Palin running is that people will not even look at her qualifications because of all of the reports and baggage she has with her. In the last few days I haven't listen to what she has done in politics just what is the problem with her and her family. So why would the republicans pick someone who will take away from what the republican party can do if they are elected to office. Are the republicans that desperate to show they can have women in their party because the democrats did not pick Hilary? These are the questions we as citizens need to really review. I personally think the republican party has made a bad choice just try and grab the democrats that voted for Hilary. People undecided on who they want to vote for will only see and here the problems with Palin and her family.The questions will be did she abuse her power? Did she not teach her child? Does she think a special needs child can handle this attention as they grow up? Does her children have respect for her title as govenor or vice president and can Palin step into the presidents office in case she needed to. What else will happen or come out before the election or after.

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
WorldviewWarrior

Your comments show a lack of research, to say the least. If the mainstream media reported on Obama the way they have reported on Palin no one would ever vote for him for anything. Try to find another source of information that will give you another side of the issues. The mainstream media will only give you one side, and you have bought it hook, line and sinker.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
raven29520

Where have you been? Obama has been vetted inside and outside by the media! He has not gotten a break since winning Iowa. He is crucified everyday on cable news and talk radio! Give me a break!

  • 5 votes
#2.2 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 2:52 AM EDT
Zydor

They will not dump her now - and a resignation is in practice the same thing - they have made far too many upfront speeches in support of her. She will do more damage leaving than staying.

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 7:53 AM EDT
anonymous jonesDeleted
arcanebliss

anonymous jonesBiden has certainly been give grace by the media. I wonder why? Talk about double standards.

Only new faces get media attention because it's a hot fresh story. Barack Obama was under the hot lamp for over a year, now it's Sarah Palin's turn. Unfortunately, old men like John McCain and Joe Biden aren't loved my the camera.

  • 2 votes
#2.5 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 9:44 AM EDT
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kj0356

I do believe that Joe Biden took a train (Amtrak?) to and from DC almost everyday, so he could take care of his children. Remember other working parents are gone during the day, away from their children also.

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
ThePef

Including myself. My criticism is not about her being a mother, but the hypocritical stance that says "no" to sex education, use abstinence, and the same time has a pregnant teenage daughter.

  • 11 votes
#3.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
raven29520

Her problems as I see them stem from the fact that she is a lying manipulative bitch who will do anything to have it her way! By the way, I haven't seen a photo yet that represents Bristol being 4-5 months pregnant. It appears that photo we have been seeing is old, as we all knew that it was from earlier this year!

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 2:55 AM EDT
Naftel

Including myself. My criticism is not about her being a mother, but the hypocritical stance that says "no" to sex education, use abstinence, and the same time has a pregnant teenage daughter.

Pef, do you (or do you plan to) take personal responsibility for all the mistakes your children make? That is what you are asking of Sara Palin. If I have a son addicted to Heroine, can I not advocate drug resistence (abstinance), or do you think I should just hand out free needles and teach him to shoot up safely since he's going to do it anyway (education)? Your premise is skewed. The person (people) responsible for the pregnancy are not running for office.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
ThePef

Naftel, you don't understand what I am trying to say do you? It is the hypocrisy that I call into question; her establishment that she is more than willing to talk about values and legislation of values, but when it comes to her own family it doesn't count.

Everything is fair game when you act to legislate it.

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
Naftel

You're right, I don't understand. Where is the hypocracy? How can an action someone else does make another a hypocrate? I talk about values to my kids all the time. Am I to be held a hypocrate if they do the opposite of what I believe anyway? Do you even have kids? If so, do they always do as you say and are you a hypocrate when they don't? She doesn't believe in abotrion, so she kept her baby and she counseled her daughter to do the same. Where is the hypocracy in that? If her daughter had an abortion, you would have a better argument of hypocracy, but that would still be her daughter's actions, not hers. I understand if you disagree with her views, but I fail to find hypocracy in her actions.

  • 2 votes
#3.5 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
Observer-393996

Naftel, that's part of the problem. It's the fact that many simply spew personal attacks. They don't even know what a hypocrite is, yet they scream it at every opportunity! If the dems were not shaking in their boots, you wouldn't see the absolutely hysterical attacks that are coming from all corners of the liberal world.

There's a poster on this very thread who is still clinging to the outrageous and slanderous story that her latest child is actually her grandchild. Grasping at irrational straws. If it weren't so scary that some of these people will actually vote, it would be hilarious.

  • 1 vote
#3.6 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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Mike Rupert

Yeah, she's extreme right. Along with that, no experience. Imagine her becoming president tomorrow. Incredibly scary. Good job.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
WorldviewWarrior

Imagine her becoming President? Imagine Pelosi becoming president! She's only extreme in the sense that her views differ from yours. She at least is no hypocrite and lives her beliefs.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
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Gnostix1

Take the Sarah Palin Resignation Countdown Poll

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
Judy Jones-450525

If you want scandal go google "Joe Vogler" and "Alaska Independence Party." Yeah that's the party lil gun totin' Sara Oaklie was a member of as well has her husband. This guy makes Rev. Wright look like a Bircher....have fun!!! GET THIS STORY OUT THERE....

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
MRZK.COM

It's the stress of no sex life that drives them buggy.

    #6.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
    Christyl

    That is absolutely unreal. Why hasn't MSNBC, CNN, etc. thrown this out there hard?? Or even Obama for that matter.

    THE NATION NEEDS TO KNOW THIS!!

      #6.2 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 2:03 AM EDT
      Observer-393996

      Sorry Judy, this story has already been debunked. Go find another.

      • 1 vote
      #6.3 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 10:15 PM EDT
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      removed1234Deleted
      Eugene Wideman

      How does a person who lives on the other end of the world relate to the needs and concerns of inner city American, well she can't. So this reformed image that the RNC is pushing well it's just another out of touch individual in a dress.

      Also, does the RNC have the gall to state their the agents of change, when they can't even get an orginal message. When I listen to McCain and Palin, they are just parroting the same message Barack Obama started his campaign with and has been saying from the start.

      In addition, while I do agree with Barack on the fact children are off limits, every Republican in this country when they are ask whats wrong with Black America, the first thing out of their mouths is unwed, under age girls having babies. Now their talking out the other side of their mouths, that the focus is on a white teen, just like the rest of this country, problems the News Media try to make exclusive to Black America is in white America too and now you can't sweep it under the rug because Fox News, your VP picks daughter is now in that group.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#8 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
      The OttO Show

      When I listen to McCain and Palin, they are just parroting the same message Barack Obama started his campaign with and has been saying from the start.

      You mean the same message that every single non-incumbent campaign for virtually any elected office in history have been saying? Let's not go overboard with crediting The Obama with these kinds of tired political cliches.

      • 3 votes
      #8.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
      Naftel

      and now you can't sweep it under the rug because Fox News, your VP picks daughter is now in that group.

      They put the unwed pregnant couple on stage at the RNC... that's a far cry from trying to "sweep it under the rug".

      • 2 votes
      #8.2 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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      The OttO Show

      Thank you Pef for putting her in perspective.

      I was worried that there were actually serious things about her that might disqualify her from running but you've made it clear that she has a near impeccable record and background. You've convinced me!

      Unless you're holding on to an October surprise or something...

      • 2 votes
      Reply#9 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
      ThePef

      Otto, somehow that makes sense coming from you.

      Missed my interactions with you, nice to see you again.

      Just remember this is only week 1.

      • 4 votes
      #9.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:27 PM EDT
      The OttO Show

      I didn't even know you were still around. ;o)

      Just remember this is only week 1.

      Sure, but you're the one already calling for or predicting her resignation based really on nothing. Adding that it's only week one undermines the premise of your article.

      • 3 votes
      #9.2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
      ThePef

      Yep, still around. Took some time off though, for sanity sake.

      I am not sure how you can call these revelations nothing. After all we are talking about some one that very likely could be president.

      • 3 votes
      #9.3 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
      The OttO Show

      Welcome back.

      I am not sure how you can call these revelations nothing. After all we are talking about some one that very likely could be president.

      Who? Her daughter? Or based on some extremely minor alleged scandals (with Obama and Biden on the other ticket do we really want to dish out earmarks as an issue? - I'm sure someone, somewhere has a calculator).

        #9.4 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
        Observer-393996

        The OttO Show said:

        "(with Obama and Biden on the other ticket do we really want to dish out earmarks as an issue? - I'm sure someone, somewhere has a calculator)."

        Yeah, but will it have enough zeros?

        • 2 votes
        #9.5 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
        arcanebliss

        Biden and Obama don't have issue with earmarks, the McCain ticket does.

        • 3 votes
        #9.6 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
        The OttO Show

        Biden and Obama don't have issue with earmarks, the McCain ticket does.

        Yes and his issue is that Biden and Obama don't have an issue with earmarks.

          #9.7 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
          arcanebliss

          Oh well, but this is about McCain's ticket being hypocritical and lying - not about the Obama ticket and earmarks. :)

          • 3 votes
          #9.8 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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          Dever1035

          This is a pointless attempt to try and steer attention away form the fact that Obama doesn't have any experience the liberals are worried about it. I hope you aren't trying to call this biased nonsense journalism..... Common sense will hopefully prevail in this election, Obama and his followers will ruin this country if they get their way.

            Reply#10 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
            Bodhi1

            Fact: Her own daughter's teen pregnancy should be clue enough to her of the need to properly educate teens on more than abstinence and the bible. Not too mention the highly controversial rumor over her last child.

            The school Bristol went to was not an abstinence only school, Pef. Did you know that fact and just forget to add it in? Also, what the Hell does a debunked "rumor" have to do with anything, controversial or not?

            Did you even write this? Looks suspect, Pef.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#11 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
            ThePef

            Bodhi, glad to see you again also, long time no talk.

            Abstinence is just a method used by the Christian right wing to debunk the use of sex education. BTW

            It has nothing to do, but the rumor still exists.

            Yep, I wrote it. Check the time stamps, whoever copied it (flattered) did so an hour ago, and I posted this over 3 hours ago.

            • 5 votes
            #11.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
            Bodhi1

            Hmmm...seems yours may have been posted first. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, which is more than most of you on the left give Gov. Palin.

            • 3 votes
            #11.2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
            Bodhi1

            Seems sex education isn't working either, then. Unless more babies from teenage mothers was the goal, then BRAVO!

            • 3 votes
            #11.3 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
            ThePef

            Hey, thx for the catch on that site sodaheads. I saw your post over there, thx again. Even if we agree to disagree, nice to see someone keeping people honest.

            • 3 votes
            #11.4 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
            Bodhi1

            I heard a rumor that Barack Obama is a Muslim, and that he isn't even a citizen. Is it alright to keep repeating that, even if I don't believe it's true?

            I mean, it still exists.

            • 4 votes
            #11.5 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
            ThePef

            I can't disagree with you there.

            • 4 votes
            #11.6 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
            Bodhi1

            Hey, thx for the catch on that site sodaheads. I saw your post over there, thx again. Even if we agree to disagree, nice to see someone keeping people honest.

            No problem. I can't stand thieves.

            • 3 votes
            #11.7 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
            ThePef

            I don't think he/she is so much a thief as they don't know how to properly cite their sources. Still flattering to be stolen from ;)

            • 3 votes
            #11.8 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:58 PM EDT
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            likes2walk

            Don't see her resigning given her purported reputation. McCain's personality doesn't back away from a fight. This all reminds me of McGoveron and his VP choice who was withdrawn b/c stigma attached to depression. It is very important to vet her on issues not the private matters involving her children. That is not the measure of the ability to govern. It will backfire on the democrats if they "swiftboat" Palin using her daughter.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#12 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
            F. L. Price V

            You practice what you believe at home, you don't try to impose those beliefs on the other three hundred million.

            • 2 votes
            #12.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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            Ann-472639

            YOUR SICK!

            • 1 vote
            Reply#13 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
            ThePef

            huh? What kind of comment is that? The article just stated facts, and didn't really take any jabs that aren't there.

            Please explain your comment.

            • 4 votes
            #13.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
            likes2walk

            I don't understand your reply.

            If you read the comment, you would understand that it is important to base your decision on the qualifications to be a candidate, and if qualified, how those qualfications best serve the interests of the country. Her daughter is not running for VP - the mother is.

            • 3 votes
            #13.2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
            ThePef

            If someone paints themselves as being a true follower of God, and wants us and everyone else to adhere to those principles, does it not make sense that they and their family should be held to the same criteria. In the case of Palin, we have some one that is strongly religious, believes in a certain morality, yet does not demonstrate those values through her own families actions or her own.

            In case you didn't read the article above; it paints the picture of someone that is not qualified for this role, and has inflated or misrepresented her own qualifications.

            • 4 votes
            #13.3 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
            The OttO Show

            Following God or being God? There is a difference and mistakes aren't at issue - it's how the mistakes are dealt with and the only people who seem to have a problem with that are people who are never going to accept Palin anyway. And those people don't matter no matter how concerned they pretend they are about these kinds of issues. (sorry to break that to you, Pef).

            • 3 votes
            #13.4 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
            ThePef

            Otto, it is the portrayal. People in public office have to be held to a different level. If they come out saying they are against abortion, then they should not have had an abortion or asked a family member to have one, if they are against earmarks, then they should not partake or exploit them, if they are against gay rights, then they should not secretly be gay. With Palin, she should not openly talk about abstinence, or vote against funding for sex ed when she has a daughter that becomes another statistic for teen pregnancy.

            Basically it says you don't follow what you preach, and can you be trusted with anything you are saying?

            • 5 votes
            #13.5 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
            likes2walk

            People in public office may be held to a different standard. Regardless, political affiliations aside, her daughter's choices are hers alone not the mother's. They don't speak to the mother's ability to govern. As Obama has stated, children are off limits - remember back to the days when Hilary Clinton protected her daughter from the media.

            • 2 votes
            #13.6 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:39 PM EDT
            The OttO Show

            I take it you supported Bill Clinton's impeachment? After all, not only did Bill trump his role with God and his marriage (repeatedly), when confronted about his infidelities, he lied about them and then abused his office to cover them up. If an ability to follow God and one's own code of morality (which doesn't seem to apply to Palin here) disqualifies one from office, doesn't that also apply after they are in office? And if Hillary (who is also married and follows God) can't reign in her sex addicted husband who embarrassed her family and the White House, then I guess she too should not be considered for higher office.

            Bush's daughters were never pregnant - I guess that makes Bush a legitimate authority on parenting and abstinence issues and you take it seriously when it comes from him. Right?

            • 3 votes
            #13.7 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
            likes2walk

            Bush as legitimate authority on parenting? I don't think so!

            During the 2000 presidential campaign, Bush's 1976 DUI arrest was made public. His daughter, Jenna was cited for alcohol possession by a minor April 27, 2001.

            My only point here is that we should examine Gov. Palin's record and policies, the impact on the people of the state of Alaska, and how that would enable her to carry out the duties of VP. Is she the best person for the job -regardless whether she is reb or dem. Going after the daughter or injecting God into the equation is a red herring - we are not puppeteers controlling the actions of those around us.

            • 2 votes
            #13.8 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
            The OttO Show

            Sorry, I was responding to Pef, though I see a contradiction in why the same parenting hiccups that define Bush don't define Palin.

            • 2 votes
            #13.9 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
            ThePef

            The difference is that Clinton wasn't legislating or proposing legislation on fornication or adultery. Palin is a cold hard advocate of abstinence and withholding funding for Sex Ed.

            • 4 votes
            #13.10 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 7:57 AM EDT
            The OttO Show

            That's the difference??

            It's the old 'it's okay if a Democrat does it because Democrats don't have standards' routine.

            So Clinton running on his faith and pumping up his marriage and lying to the public about his affairs is completely inconsequential, so long as he's never on legislative record. Maybe that's why Obama has voted 'present' so many times - this way, when he makes mistakes, no one can point out that he proposed or voted on something.

            Meanwhile, Palin is dealing with her family problems in concert with what she proposes - that family issues and sex training belong in the family, not to government and public schools. We could criticize her if she sent her daughter in for a state-funded abortion but she's not doing that, is she?

            That's a bit specious on your part, Pef.

            • 2 votes
            #13.11 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
            ThePef

            Otto, it is speaking out of the side of your mouth. It is saying "I am willing to legislate what you do, but don't hold me to the same standards". At least the Clintons didn't try to legislate the illegality of what they were doing, or manipulate funding to programs that were contrary.

            I see Palin in the same light that I see Foley or any of the Preachers that have been involved in the sex scandals. They say or promote legislation for one thing and then turn around and do the opposite. She promotes abstinence, lower funding for sex ed, but has this happen within her own family.

            I don't see this as a gender issue; I see it was one of hypocrisy. I would say the same thing about a male running for office.

            • 2 votes
            #13.12 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
            The OttO Show

            Otto, it is speaking out of the side of your mouth. It is saying "I am willing to legislate what you do, but don't hold me to the same standards".

            HOW??? What has Palin legislated, the people who aren't abstinent be shot? I don't know the details of what Palin supports or opposes in this aspect but I'm under the impression that it has to do with what government funds and what public schools teach. WHAT DOES HER DAUGHTER HAVE TO DO WITH THAT? What exactly did Palin propose that would make sex illegal (as you seem to be suggesting)?

            At least the Clintons didn't try to legislate the illegality of what they were doing, or manipulate funding to programs that were contrary.

            LOL - he just bent the law to cover it up.

            She promotes abstinence, lower funding for sex ed, but has this happen within her own family.

            They have nothing to do with each other. That's like saying someone who supports keeping abortion legal and then doesn't have an abortion is a hypocrite.

            You're trying way to hard here to make an omelet with no eggs.

            • 2 votes
            #13.13 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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            Proud American-252641

            Palin's Resignation?

            Wishful thinking on the dems part IMHO.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#14 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
            McCain ManDeleted
            kenglish76

            Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air. When was the last time you heard a politician say 'God Bless America' with sincerity?

            Unlike Governor Locke in Washington State and Chrsitine Gregoire, Sarah has actually accomplished real work (while being Governor) instead of increasing taxes and pork barrel spending.

            Washington State small businesses are living at subsitence levels and hide taxes by default of the highest regulations and draconian tax system in the States.

            Locke and Gregoire put their own selfish political gains ahead of whats right for our State. Under their governance, we have increased pollution in the sound, and housing development has decimated most of the wetlands around the Puget Sound area. Property taxes have increased and encouraged the democrats to bring MORE developers to the area.

            The State I grew up in is no longer the Evergreen State....it's California redux with malls and cars!!!

            From a FORMER democrat...

            • 2 votes
            Reply#16 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
            arcanebliss

            kenglish76

            Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air. When was the last time you heard a politician say 'God Bless America' with sincerity?

            Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."

            "Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."
            Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'

            • 3 votes
            #16.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
            arcanebliss

            Unlike Governor Locke in Washington State and Chrsitine Gregoire, Sarah has actually accomplished real work (while being Governor) instead of increasing taxes and pork barrel spending.

            Palin's pork requests confound reformer image

            Senior McCain Adviser Praises Palin For Raising Taxes, Says 'We Have To Have Taxes In This Country

            • 3 votes
            #16.2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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            Superman2001

            Can she withdraw after she's nominated tonight? If so, would the GOP have to nominate her replacement?

            • 1 vote
            Reply#17 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
            agio

            Google Thomas Eagleton.

            • 1 vote
            #17.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
            Superman2001

            Guess so. That's what I thought. I wasn't sure about Eagleton because back then, the conventions were held earlier in the summer.

            • 1 vote
            #17.2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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            happygirl-361049

            I think the democrats better hold tight because Palin is not a quitter. That girl is going nowhere!!!! I'm glad ! It is great to see someone with some spirit in her in the running. Raising a family and working at the same time is NO EASY JOB! Having a child with health issues is NO EASY JOB! This LADY has more experience than OBAMA has in his little pinkie! I would love nothing better than to have a McCain & Palin election this year!!!!!!! They are both strong people who have come up against the odds many times. Don't be foolish and believe all you hear about them that is negative. Alot of negatives are thrown in by alot of SCARED people!!!!!

            • 2 votes
            Reply#18 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
            Superman2001

            It is great to see someone with some spirit in her in the running. Raising a family and working at the same time is NO EASY JOB! Having a child with health issues is NO EASY JOB!

            I agree. With both candidates trying to paint the other as elitist and themselves as the everyman, Sarah Palin is the everywoman. Just a couple of years ago, her husband had to go back to work because the family needed more income. That's something we can all relate to. And I think that Sarah Palin could actually be good for the country in many ways.

            But I don't agree with her politics and I don't think that either her or John McCain would take the country in the right direction if given the White House. So while I hope that she lives up to her potential to be the Washington outsider reformer, I hope she gets nowhere near Washington.

            • 2 votes
            #18.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
            ThePef

            Her image as a reformer is all shellac and no substance. That is the whole point, she touts herself as a reformer but really isn't. She has taken questionable campaign contributions, has used her authority to lobby for excessive funding for a small town, canceled the bridge to nowhere, but did not turn the money down. She is anything but the reformer she claims to be.

            • 4 votes
            #18.2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
            Superman2001

            John McCain is anything but the maverick he claims to be anymore. But one thing we're learning in this election is that people believe what they hear. So if Sarah Palin runs as the reformer, and then goes back to Alaska as governor and maintains that reputation, does good things for her state, and becomes a voice for women like herself and a touchstone for the next generation of politics, that could be a good thing. An anti-establishment, Washington outsider (which she is) could be positive for America.

            But I don't want her near the White House.

            • 1 vote
            #18.3 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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            F. L. Price V

            KGW in Portland, OR, had a news article w/video of "Sistah" Palin telling the Wasilla church that we had a "God given mission" to send our troops to Iraq. Which God was that? Or was it the Ayatollah Dubya al-Bushi?

            She is also taking "Catechism" lessons from the current administration on the Gospel according to Saint George.

            If this fine example of what the Republicans think is a suitable candidate should get into office, I feel extremely sorry for the women of this country.

            If "Juan" McC should be elected and fail to complete his term, and this vindicative woman gets her hands on the "football", God help us all!

            • 3 votes
            Reply#19 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
            happygirl-361049

            F.L. I was waiting for some one to bring the God thing into the discussion. Can you please stick to the topic? Listen to what will be said by Palin on t.v. tonite, before you get all messed up with your crazy ideas! Chill!!!!! Palin deserves to tell her side just like the rest do.

              #19.1 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
              F. L. Price V

              sunnydaz,

              I've been listening to the candidates since the race began, and all I've heard so far, B.S. and more B.S. If it were all in one heap, you could fertilize all the farmland in North America.

              Mrs. Palin in the video brought God into the discussion, and such being the case, becomes fair game on the subject.

              The biggest thing I have against Mrs. Palin is, the fact that she not only "outed" her daughter to the world, but then said that she was proud of her daughter's choices. GET REAL! Both the daughter and her boyfriend made choices that were not only bad, they were stupid.

              If McCain had chosen a woman of Mrs. Rice's caliber, I would have turned Republican for at least this election - As it stands, I am still an Independent, and I am waiting to see which of our candidates is the lesser of the two evils.

              In her speech tonight, more time was spent on how much McCain suffered for his country. For what he endured, I am proud of him, but no more so than I am of the 55,000+ that died over there and the hundreds that went through the same terrors that McCain did. Surviving Viet Nam does not automatically give bonus points in the election of the individual that will become the leader and guiding light for this once great nation - I sincerely hope that whomever takes the seat in the White House will be able to bring us back to what we once were.

              I will defend to the end your right to believe as you wish, but I will fight to the death to defend what I believe.

              Do I have anything against Alaska..... Not at all. Though I now live in the "Lower 48", I was qualified as a "Sourdough" by either reckoning a dozen years before Mrs. Palin was born.

              You have a nice day, and no matter which way you vote, may the better of our current candidates win!

                #19.2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
                happygirl-361049

                F.L. Darn ! I have to somewhat agree with you. What her daughter and the guy did was wrong but as a mom of a 18yr. old I too had the shock of my life when our daughter called home and said she was pregnant. I too felt hurt and wondered what my husband & I did wrong or what we didn't do or say to stop this. With having an only child we were full of GUILT! Then we had to stand back and admit we did all we could do. Our relationship we felt was very open, now we found out it wasn't that open at all. Young people today no matter if you've said it all or done it all will end up doing things their way. Like Palin, we to were proud that our daughter made the only choice and what we told her was the right choice. She had her baby and gave it up for adoption to a wonderful couple that she chose. We as usual were there for her the entire 9 months and afterwards. Unfortunatly this is a very common thing now. It happens in wealthy,educated,poor,uneducated, close families and those that are not close. I feel we can blame tv, movies, and parents who let their daughters bring their boyfriends home to live with them as well. I hear that quite often too! Makes me blanch! We could not watch our daughter 24/7 even with me working days and my husband working nights. She would go out with a couple of friends to the library, the movies etc. We thought we could trust her even when checked in at home when she was out! It is unfortunate to say the least. We even offered birth control to her and she assured us "it would never happen to her because she would never do anything". I have to add, I'm not a REP. or DEMO. I like Palin and McCain. I feel they are a wonderful match and one that will keep us safe from our enemies. Palin has done wonderful things for her Alaska. Really, what has Obama done? He stutters so bad sometimes I have an awful time listening to him! But, thank you and you have a nice evening! I hope the best two win as well. Ours well being is in their hands as those of our children!

                  #19.3 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 5:20 PM EDT
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                  anonymous jonesDeleted
                  Naftel

                  From rasmussenreports.com:

                  A week ago, most Americans had never heard of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Now, following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin's favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.

                  I'm staying glued to CNN... she'll be resigning any minute now.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#21 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
                  happygirl-361049

                  NOT the slightest chance of that EVER happening. Palin is a strong, intelligent woman. If you listened to her the crowds loved her. I think we were all surprised by her and many of the women I bet wished they were more like her.Sorry Naftel! You'll grow roots in that chair first!!!!

                    #21.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
                    Naftel

                    No, I'm sorry sunnydaz, I guess my post didn't convey the proper message. I was being sarcastic... Of course she is not going to resign. She has the highest rating of all of them... why on Earth would she resign or, even more rediculous, be forced to resign. (Read my post again with that in mind.) I thought people woud cath the sarcasm, but this will clarify for those who didn't.

                    • 1 vote
                    #21.2 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
                    happygirl-361049

                    Now I'm sorry Naftel.....thanks for pointing out what you meant. I just get so tired of so many people tearing others apart when the don't get more information from the right source's . Palin has been pulled apart savagely since she was chosen by McCain. Can't help it....I really admire her & sorta envy her at the same time! Have a good evening! Again I'm sorry.

                      #21.3 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 9:30 PM EDT
                      anonymous jonesDeleted
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                      Chantay.Texas

                      If you cut programs that help to prevent teenage pregancies or children with special needs then vote for the pitt bull with lipstick/barracuda.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#22 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 6:05 AM EDT
                      Anon Emus1

                      Your article is missing that famous jet that she sold on "Ebay" and made a profit out of. You think in this modern age where every bit of info is at ones fingertips, they would think twice before they lie umm sorry "stretch the truth". Apparently the jet in question was not really sold on Ebay and the "profit" was actually a loss since she sold it for less than originally posted. Can't wait to see what she comes up with next. And by the way, she needs to stop saying that line about "community organizers". She keeps repeating it line for line everywhere she goes. Talk about a broken record.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#23 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
                      happygirl-361049

                      Forget for one minute about Palins daughters pregnancy. When you are out & about check out all the pregnant teens around you and let us know if Palin's daughter has done anything more wrong than the rest have. Think just because her mom is running for V.P she would do anything different? It was a time when things got way out of control. Happens to all kinds of kids from all kinds of homes. Quit already!!!!!!

                        Reply#24 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
                        donna-513707

                        In response to "happygirl" you need to think as a responsible adult if indeed you are. W know that teenagers makes mistakes; you are however forgetting that this woman is making an attempt to assume one of the highest and most prestigeous office in this Country. Heads of office must first be Heads of their household. Ms Palin has very little to offer in terms of integrity, class and dignity to the American Public especially the young people of this Country.
                        I would recommend that you review the speeches given by Lady Michelle Obama and Lady
                        McCain; they are both in a totally diferrent class. When asked of all presidential candidates whom the public will chose to have a drink in a bar with; the majority answered SARAH PALIN! that in itself tells you a lot about the woman, she's just not White House material she is indeed a loose cannon. Not fit to Govern our NATION.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#25 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
                        ThePef

                        Donna, you are right in your assessment. She is a "loose" cannon, and this country is in no position to handle someone like her next to the oval office.

                        • 2 votes
                        #25.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:34 PM EDT
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                        Breckenridge RealtorDeleted
                        GladysKravitz

                        Don't cry for me O' Alaska. The truth is I never meant to. My wild campaigning, my mad insaning. I broke my promise, to stay in office. Revised lyrics from Evita

                          Reply#27 - Sat Jul 4, 2009 4:27 AM EDT
                          cards6

                          Time, a short amount of it, will tell what Palin has up her sleeve. Is she running from something or is she planning and regrouping?

                            Reply#28 - Sat Jul 4, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
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